Tuesday, March 25, 2008

Smoking poll

Make sure you weigh-in on the issue of smoking on campus. Dr. Nichols is interested in opinions regarding one of three options:

A. Restricting smoking to parking lots

B. Banning smoking entirely on campus

C. Keeping the smoking policy as it is currently

Take the poll on the right hand side of the screen and feel free to post comments below.

Vol State. Volunteer State Community College.

48 comments:

HaileyStargazer said...

While I do feel that everyone is entitled to their own preferences...I am also entitled to my health. I have developed chronic bronchitics due to the accidental inhalation of chemicals. With this aliment simple nuisances become major triggers, case in point cigarette smoke. I believe a perfect compromise would be to establish a specific smoking area. However, making the area in front of buildings or near others cars still makes us none smokers walk through a cough causing cancerous cloud to enter a public building or worse yet...our own personal automobiles! When designating smoking areas, they should be away from places of high traffic. However, at least banishing smoking to the parking lot will make cleaning up the litter a lot easier.I hope I have not offended anyone with this comment, but all sides should be heard!

JaiBunchVol said...

I understand where many people come from on the smokink issue. The point is that there are signs up to restrict students and faculty from smoking in front of the building. If anything put up a foot distance. Not only that, someone should enforce these rules instead of watching as someone smokes in front of the doors.I am a smoker and to see other smokers nearly blowing there smoke into the building isn't right. banning smoking outside is taking it too far, but enforcing rules that have already been established could help.

Alicia said...

It's all about consideration and respect, in which many lack-smokers and non. Ignoring the fact that smoking effects everyone is stupid. Ultimately, one can choose whether or not to harm their own lives. Yet, when you throw others into the mix- like children and non smokers (that have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get to class)- it's completely irresponsible and inconsiderate of other's health.

Even though there is a current "smoking restriction" within 10 feet of building doors- I have RARELY found anyone one that obeys this. In addition, I do not find this restriction effective because it is not regulated.
Honestly, I do not care if it's raining or cold and you NEED a cigarette- respect the signs and take it 10 feet or beyond the building. Then, when you're finished, put it out and throw your butt in the trash or proper receptacle. Stop flicking your butts! Respect the campus and the earth. If you can't handle that, then you should start trying to quit smoking, now.

Lastly, tobacco production isnt as prevalent as it once was. Smokers should expect as well as get used to high prices and taxes on their favorite brands as productions slows because of the percent of people that quit smoking each year. My advice would to be quit now to save not only your health, but you pocket as well.

Jayrod said...

While we all know smoking is hazardous to everyone's health, it is important to not treat our smoker's like sub-standard people. With the options I see here, I'm picturing a small to large string of students standing in the streets causing much more than just a cloud of smoke, it's an accident waiting to happen.
Furthermore, we can't ask the students to 'carpool' and fill the vehicle with a smokescreen, which would only lead to even more complaints. Also I believe banning smoking entirely is way to big of a step at this point.

These are just a few reasons why I say keep the smoking policy as is, while enforcing the current guidelines. The last thing I'd like to do is add some critisism (not to bad) to the other comments. There are no children that go to school here, and your health is in your own hands. I think people would find that the smoker's wouldn't mind moving out of the way and I'd hope they wouldn't blow smoke in your face. And I believe I answered the issue of high traffic areas; it's not just foot-traffic to avoid.

HaileyStargazer said...

In no way was I implying that smokers are sub-standard, and I greatly apologize if my comments seemed this way. My husband smokes, and the compromise we have at home is the same one I envisioned for campus. A patio of sorts, with an endless array of ashtrays, and comfortable seating...of course in an obsure location! I was thinking more along the lines of a smoker's lounge rather than banishing them to exile.
And in reference to a previous comment...I don't believe smokers to be unkind or capriciously throwing everyone's health to the wind...but unfortunately the cloud of smoke does not side-step as quickly as the person with the cigarette does.

wild_mama_cherry said...

With all do respect I don't belive someone has the right to tell me I can't smoke in my car. I pay the payment and the insurance....untill someone else does no one is going to tell me that I can't smoke in my car!!!!! This is really driving me crazy!!!!

You can take your kids to a resturant with a bar and people drinking.....same thing not much of a difference!!!!

I don't appriciate people who think they can tell me what I can or can't do in or on my property!!!!

WHEN YOU START PAYING FOR MY CAR YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT TO DO IN IT!!!!!!!!!!

DragonFyre said...

I voted an entire ban, but I would be fine with it being restricted to parking lots. The thing I want gone is the smokers standing directly in front of the main entrance to the buildings. Even with the signs saying stay 15 feet away, they still don't keep that space, especially in front of the Mattox building.

Blondie said...

I am a smoker and have been for sometime. I obey the rules of smoking away from the building and feel that banning smoking outside is going way to far. Non-smokers think it is easy to quit smoking while polls say it is harder to quit cocaine or heroine than it is to quit smoking. I feel that as long as I am outside and not blowing smoke in others directions it shouldn't be a problem. I have a lot of friends that don't smoke and I respect them and if I smoke around them, I dont blow it in their face. I think smoking rules should stand how they are or there would be a lot of unhappy folks running around. I believe this country is pushing rules way to far...This use to be a land of the free, but its getting to where you can't be "free". Raising taxes on cigarettes is for education and if everyone quit there wouldnt be as much money for educational reasons. Granted I know its bad to smoke, unhealthy, and unattractive I feel it is my right to smoke outside where I want. Tobacco production isn't "slowing" down necessarily, its going out of this country like everything else is. I feel taking away my rights to smoke is unfair. We smokers have just as many rights as non-smokers. Now a days smokers have half the rights, how is that fair? If it was meant to be regulated and banished from everywhere outside, wouldn't it or shouldn't it be illegal??

Alicia said...

If you feel singled out, it's because you are. The majority on campus does not smoke.

choesli said...

There have been many times I have had to hold my breath to get into a building to my classes. Being an asthmatic, just one inhale and I have breathing problems. I understand smokers have rights, but where are the non-smokers rights? I agree we all have to be respectful and considerate, but I don't see all the smokers backing away 10 feet from the buildings. Even if they do, there are still times when non-smokers have to walk behind them on the sidewalks to other buildings. Seems as though non-smokers have to watch out for the smokers and go out of their way to avoid them, when it should be the other way around. I agree that there needs to be more done with where smokers can light up for the sake of others.

Daryn said...

I'm so glad that this is a topic of conversation now, and I truly hope that the decision makers at the school are paying close attention. Before coming to Vol State I attended a campus that was tobacco free. I didn't realize how much I appreciated that policy until I came to a school where leaving a building invariably means walking into a cloud of smoke. This isn't about limiting the rights or freedoms of smokers, it's about creating an atmosphere that promotes wholeness. With the promotion of programs on campus to control obesity and encourage social diversity, it's surprising that the issue of smoking hasn't been raised until now. I'm glad that it is! As restaurants and other public places increasingly submit to legislature that restricts or prohibits smoking, I don't think it is unreasonable for our public schools to do the same. The reality is that smoking is facing (deserved) scrutiny because of it's horrible effects on personal health and the environment and I think it's fair to address these facts in our community, as well. Do we really want to be a place that makes provisions for destructive habits that interfere not only with the smoker but also those around him or her? I agree with previous commenters on the note about litter, as well. Eliminating cigarettes on campus means eliminating cigarette butts scattered across the lawns and sidewalks. That's a simple truth.

To prohibit smoking on campus or even to restrict it to parking areas would help far more than it would hurt.

HaileyStargazer said...

I just wanted to say...that no one is telling you that you can't smoke in your car. Your car is your personal property and you do have the right to smoke there...However, the campus is not your personal property it is public property, therefore the public as a whole should be considered.
In addition, taking children to a restaurant that has a bar is in No way similar to taking a child to a smoking environment...Whereas, both drinkers and smokers have a right to partake in either activity, smokers are not just effecting themselves they are also effecting others around them. It has been proven that second hand smoke causes cancer but, I have never heard of someone catching sclerosis of the liver through osmosis!

sumoneshtme said...

There is in this country a push to remove smoking in all public places including outdoor areas. I understand that smokers have been crowding doors, etc. but have you ever thought that it was because we've been pushed a little further than we can handle. Your health is important to us, but it is the attitude, the stares, the smart comments, etc. that keep us wanting to retaliate. I'm not advocating smoking in a direct path with other students, as you pay the same tuition as i, but it goes under the same addage as "give em an inch..." You take it away from inside, that's fine we understand second hand smoke blah blah blah. Then you take away directly outside, fine. Now you wanna take away inside our cars, inside our homes, and wherever we might be. I can imagine in a few years the only place we'll be allowed to smoke is in our bedrooms with two fans and an oxygen tent under the covers on tuesday from 2:30 to 3:15.

stpcomplnin1 said...

First, let me say that I am non-smoker. I hardly believe that walking past smokers to into a PUBLIC facility is not going to cause harm to your health, no more than the starting and stopping of the 4 or 5 thousand vehicles that are the campus each day. Do you think about your health when you are walking through the parking lot, and you have to walk behind a vehicle that starts the engine and you breath the irritants that come from the tailpipe of that car and the other 20 cars that are starting at the same time, or when you have to walk between cars waiting in line to leave the school. I believe that the policy that Vol State has put into force is being followed, I have not witnessed anything other than that. I'm also going to add that I have never seen any student blow smoke in someones face; furthermore, I believe that smokers pay the same tuition as non-smokers to attend the COMMUNITY college, and taking away their right to smoke would be taking away their freedom as a citizen. Those students who do smoke do not have time to go to a designated area of the campus to smoke. They barely have time to make it from class to another on time. If you see a smoke cloud, I'm almost positive that if you walk a little to the right or left you will miss it altogether and maybe get a little extra exercise at the same time.

klouder68 said...

This country has become one of extreamist. There is room for both smokers and non-smokers on this campus. Smokers, stay clear of the entrances to the buildings. Non-smokers quit whinning all the time about smokers. If you non-smokers want a ban on smoking then you should protest vending machines as well. Why not jump on the obesity health issue? Oh, yeah, because maybe that doesn't effect you right? Wrong, take a look at the statistics with obestiy and you will see this country will be paying a huge price tag for. Matter of fact it already is. But you won't see those machines move out of the halls will you? Nope, you sure won't.
By the way, I'm not full time smoker. I will endulge myself once in a blue moon with a cigarette.

Jason B Bour said...

HaileyStargazer I do hate to burst your bubble, but second hand smoke has not been proven to cause cancer. Most of the reports I have read from the FDA and the CDC has said towards the bottom that they cannot prove it causes cancer and they do not know what exposure levels are dangerous. The only thing they can prove it the chemicals found in cigarettes are harmful and can cause cancer when you are exposed to large quantizes during a long period of time.

Since the smoking population has decreased, the illnesses they contributed to smoking has remained the same, some has actually increased. Now they are saying 2 alcoholic drinks equal 1 pack of cigarettes, and now drinking causes lung cancer. One of the reasons their claims are weak is majority of the smokers lived or worked in highly polluted areas, and whether their condition was caused by smoking or not they was counted as a statistic if they smoked. When the percentage was found to be the same between smokers and non-smokers they turned to the second hand smoke theory. The truth is our air quality is so bad that we all have an equal chance of having problems they contribute to cigarettes. The CDC claims 400,000 people die from smoking related illness, and according to researchers at Northwestern University 3 million die each year due to air pollution whether they are smokers are not.

Now the scary thing is not cigarette smoke, but our air we breath everyday. 3 million tons of toxins are pump into the air your breath each year, and millions of people are dying or having serious health issues due to this. The ones most effected are people who exercise outdoors since your respirations increase during these activities. The particles found in diesel exhaust is too small for your body's filtration system to filter out, and are blood clotting particles causing strokes and other cardio vascular problems. According to Science Daily the ones who are effected the most are commuters and those who live in highly populated areas, and rolling your window up does not help. Think about this, if you are in a bar full of cigarette smoke all night you will not die, but if you are in a closed in area for 15 mins with the car running you will be dead. You are not only exposed to the fumes from your car as you drive, but the cars in front of you, and around you. Get in a Cessna and fly right above cloud level and you will see the filth you are breathing everyday. The top of the clouds looks like oily, dirty sludge, and that is what you are exposed to 24 hours a day.

As far as the smoking ban indoors, well it is a useless tool to make people think the government is actually trying to protect them. During the drive up to the restaurant you will inhale more toxins and gasses then in a smoke filled bar. I have written the state lawmakers several time asking for state wide emissions testing and to consider California emissions on new car sales, and there are alot more drivers in Tennessee than smokers, and they have refused to even consider it. Funny thing is 3 million tons of airborne toxins are considered acceptable levels by the government, but second hand smoke is considered deadly.

According to science Daily, 3/4 of the worlds population will die each year from pollution related illnesses. Just recently they have discovered trace amounts of chemical from prescription medication in the water supply from people dumping expired medications down the drain, and this report did not include the cleaning chemicals we use that goes down the drain, or chemicals from meth labs.

Now I do not fault a private business owner for having a smoke free business, but it should be left to the owner. As far as outside bans I think it is ridicules to blame smokers for outdoor air quality when second hand smoke is most likely the least amount of pollutant, and anyone who thinks banning outside smoking is beneficial needs to do more research. Banning smoking outdoors to improve health and air quality is just like taking out 1 gallon of water from a pool to save someone from drowning.

Science Daily has some very good articles on pollution, and can be found on the web.

angrysmoker said...

I am a smoker. I have had my fill of the discrimination that has gone on in this country towards smokers. We all have rights, smokers and non-smokers alike. Most of the smokers I have seen on campus do not crowd the doors to the buildings, they stand where the ashtrays are located, which the staff of Vol-State has placed them there, within 10 feet of each entrance to each building. Are we to be banned or relegated to the parking areas to smoke because the staff of Vol-State placed the ashtrays within 10 feet of the buildings, I think not. I read an earlier comment about the time between classes not being sufficent to get from one to another, how are smokers supposed to get from one class to another if they have to go to the parking lot to smoke a cigarette? Is this fair? If the smokers are relegated to the parking lot to smoke why not relegate those who carry drinks with them to the parking lot? Sounds stupid huh? Smokers are discriminated against in many areas this is just another way to discriminate against them for the sake of those who have chosen not to smoke. I enjoy attending Vol-State but I see that in the future Vol-State will not be the diverse community college it is trying so hard to become if discrimination of all sorts continue. Smokers stay 10 feet from the entrance of the buildings and non-smokers stop complaining before they find something to banish you from while you attend Vol-State.

Terry said...

If people want to protect their health, they can walk around me. I don't blow smoke in people's faces, so anyone complaining that their health is in jeopardy by my smoking (away from all buildings, mind you) just has a stick up their ass.

IF SMOKING IS OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL SMOKE!

DragonFyre said...

The problem with smokers is that they think you can only smell the smoke when you blow it in our faces. It's just not true. You smell it if you sit next to a smoker. You smell the lit cigarette in your hand while it releases smoke, You smell it all over your clothes. The 10 feet from the buikding is too close because you still cant get through the doors without getting hit with the wall of smoke. At a minimum it should be 50 feet.

DragonFyre said...

The problem with smokers is that they think you can only smell the smoke when you blow it in our faces. It's just not true. You smell it if you sit next to a smoker. You smell the lit cigarette in your hand while it releases smoke, You smell it all over your clothes. The 10 feet from the buikding is too close because you still cant get through the doors without getting hit with the wall of smoke. At a minimum it should be 50 feet.

Alicia said...

I ask of all who post, if you believe you are stating a fact, please back it up with links and proper citations. Say what you mean and prove what you say!

On another note, I smoked for many years before quitting. Currently, I am nine months out of the gate and I quit cold turkey. With any addiction, quitting is rough- but it is possible. Placing blame on anyone other than yourself is ludicrous.

All I can say is, if you know smoking is harmful, why continue? Isnt that called stupidity, when youre knowledgable but ignore what youve learned?
Dont be stupid.

Quit smoking... all the cool kids are doing it. =)

kali said...

Dear Completely Uncompromising Non-Smokers,

What more do you want from my fellow smokers and me? Because of this big government, left wing push to increase taxes on tobacco products and ban smoking in restaurants and bars, us smokers have given up our freedoms, have given up our rights, have lost jobs, lost money, and have lost businesses all so we can make your lives just a little bit more comfortable. We can no longer smoke in restaurants. We can no longer smoke in most bars. We are pushed between 10 and 20 feet away from entrances (which I abide by). And now you are actually questioning our only remaining place to smoke…outside. And what is so ironic about this question coming from a college campus is that we have paid, in part, for many students to attend college. We also help pay for the roads that the many students travel in order to get their education. Another person asked “who can stop us from smoking in our cars, it’s our property?” Well, there are states considering banning smoking in your car, your apartment/condo, and even your homes.

So my question is this…Where does it end? The twenty something percent of remaining smokers are not quitting anytime soon. We’ve given you everything we can possibly give and have paid a pretty penny for it. One day you will have somebody try to impose their rules and restrictions on you, and you will see how unpleasant this side of the fence is.

Please just leave us the only thing we have left…the outdoors. At this point it’s the only thing we can ask for.

Sincerely,

Considerate Smoker

kali said...

Dear Completely Uncompromising Non-Smokers,

What more do you want from my fellow smokers and me? Because of this big government, left wing push to increase taxes on tobacco products and ban smoking in restaurants and bars, us smokers have given up our freedoms, have given up our rights, have lost jobs, lost money, and have lost businesses all so we can make your lives just a little bit more comfortable. We can no longer smoke in restaurants. We can no longer smoke in most bars. We are pushed between 10 and 20 feet away from entrances (which I abide by). And now you are actually questioning our only remaining place to smoke…outside. And what is so ironic about this question coming from a college campus is that we have paid, in part, for many students to attend college. We also help pay for the roads that the many students travel in order to get their education. Another person asked “who can stop us from smoking in our cars, it’s our property?” Well, there are states considering banning smoking in your car, your apartment/condo, and even your homes.

So my question is this…Where does it end? The twenty something percent of remaining smokers are not quitting anytime soon. We’ve given you everything we can possibly give and have paid a pretty penny for it. One day you will have somebody try to impose their rules and restrictions on you, and you will see how unpleasant this side of the fence is.

Please just leave us the only thing we have left…the outdoors. At this point it’s the only thing we can ask for.

Sincerely,

Considerate Smoker

Blondie said...

Everyone is entitled to their health concerns.. As we smokers are too! As someone previously said, we (smokers) pay just as much tuition as the non-smokers do. I think we have just as much of a right to smoke in our designated 10-15 feet away from door areas. I mean, non-smokers think it's soo easy to quit smoking...so obesity aint a disease and people should just quit eating right? So problem solved..like someone said earlier..ban smoking, take vending machines (snackes and cokes) out of the halls. Cokes also cause health problems, so non-smokers who drink and eat unhealthy are putting their lives at just as much risk as walking 5 feet away from the smoker....I think its just sad to judge people because they smoke..I mean yes it may be wrong but its addicting..So campus should ban smoking on campus (unless we are in our car)? Then I suppose everyone needs to get their cars fixed that smoke and leak..That causes a lot of environmental and health problems (so they say). I thought when we went to college that we were all mature adults and could respect each ones decision on what they do..but I guess thats not the option. We smokers don't point and whisper about you non-smokers. Why should you point a finger at us? How's that harmful, if its outside? Its usually not blowing in someones face unless your right in their face. I mean this is Tennessee and the wind blows quite often here..so its usually not goin to blow in your face. Also, most of our education money comes from tobacco taxes. So think about that...I pay my college..not from peoples taxes, I'm probably payin from someone to go to school (tobacco taxes) thats fussing about banning smoking. Another thing, if we outlaw smoking all together, do you know how many people will be jobless or loose profits? My family and boyfriends family are both farmers and the main crop is tobacco..Thats how most people make a livin around here (especially in TN). So think about all the other health concerns you (nonsmokers) probably cause...Do you cover your mouth everytime you cough? Do you wash your hands all the time? etc..Just think about it...There's more problems in this society than smokers..This is just sad we have to focus so much time on what us taxpayers do OUTSIDE.

Sherri said...

First of all, it would be really miraculous if everyone who posted actually knew how to spell! Moving on though, I personally detest smoking, but if someone wants to smoke outside, far be it from me to try and seize such a liberty. For those who implicated that walking through smoke is harmful to children and non-smokers; give me a break! My suggestion is to stop driving cars (burning fossil fuels), or stop using gas (coal=toxic emissions) as a source of heat, etc. There are worse chemicals being emitted into the air other than smoke, but I don't see any geniuses raising a fuss about that! In short, leave the smokers alone!

sumoneshtme said...

I believe that smoking on campus isn't that big of a deal and how it is now is perfectly fine. Yes I smoke, so keeping it would be fine with me, but there is plenty of room outside for everyone to walk around it if they choose. I think we are all grown ups and people can deal with others smoking outside. I believe we have larger problems than smoking here on campus and we as citizens should be able to keep our freedom to smoke if we want.
Thank you

Alicia said...

It's laughable the way the word 'freedom' is being thrown around in this discussion. In today's sense, smoking is tolerated.

A related issue(that has been touched), upon your "freedoms", is environmental conserns of land and air pollution. Your "freedoms" today are going to limit the freedoms of the future. If our current rate of air pollution continues the course it is on, my hypothetical grandchildren will not be able to go outside and play. My hypothetical adult children will not be able to jog at a park.
If you continue to throw your butts, which contain harmful chemicals, onto the ground, the chemicals will continue to seep into our water and poison us humans and the environment we live in.

And if youre like Jason B Bour, who thinks that banning smoking will be as effective as a drop in a bucket, you are terribly mistaken.

Be apart of the current domino effect going on around the world- quit smoking.

On the topic of smokers and non smokers paying the same tuition- I did not pay to walk threw a cloud of smoke on the way to class and I do not want to pay for someone to pick up your cigarette butts (on the ground or in the planters). I did not pay to sit by someone with such a distracting smell.
But, in anticipation of the reaction to this comment, I do not plan to change my relatively healthy behaviors to suit smoker's unhealthy and damaging behaviors.
I choose Vol State because of the short commute. This commute cuts not only cost on fossil fuels but vehicle emissions. I'm doing my part, now do yours.

JGJ said...

There certainly seems to be a lot of hyperbole and fallacious arguments on this topic. I’m sure a English 1020 professor could have a heyday picking them all out.
-“I believe that smoking on campus isn't that big of a deal and how it is now is perfectly fine”
If that were true, no one would be complaining and obviously, people are.

“There is plenty of room outside for everyone to walk around it if they choose.”
If there (were) room to walk around it, people wouldn’t be inhaling it when approaching the door.

“I believe we have larger problems than smoking here on campus”
It seems this problem is quite a hot topic, could you name a larger one?

“Citizens should be able to keep our freedom to smoke if we want.”
You cannot expect your freedoms to be protected when you trample on others’ and your freedom to smoke is not being infringed, your freedom to smoke around non-smokers is.

“For those who implicated that walking through smoke is harmful to children and non-smokers; give me a break! My suggestion is to stop driving cars (burning fossil fuels), or stop using gas (coal=toxic emissions) as a source of heat, etc.”
There are so many things wrong with this statement I don’t know where to start.

“There are worse chemicals being emitted into the air other than smoke, but I don't see any geniuses raising a fuss about that! In short, leave the smokers alone!”
I guess you don’t watch the news… there is this thing called global warming…

“we (smokers) pay just as much tuition as the non-smokers do. I think we have just as much of a right to smoke in our designated 10-15 feet away from door areas.”
And are you denying the rights of non-smokers or just ignoring them?

“I mean, non-smokers think it's soo easy to quit smoking...so obesity aint a disease and people should just quit eating right?”
Someone eating a twinkie by a door does not cause the same problems as someone smoking by a door. Let’s get realistic.

“I mean yes it may be wrong but its addicting”
Is this the excuse you are going to use for smoking? Why not make the same excuse for heroin, cocaine, and pedophilia as well?

“I thought when we went to college that we were all mature adults and could respect each ones decision on what they do..but I guess thats not the option”
I suppose you are right, because smokers would move further away from doorways and not throw their cigarette butts on the ground.

“Its usually not blowing in someones face unless your right in their face.”
“Usually” being the opertative word, but the exhaled cloud does travel far.

“I pay my college..not from peoples taxes, I'm probably payin from someone to go to school (tobacco taxes) thats fussing about banning smoking. Another thing, if we outlaw smoking all together, do you know how many people will be jobless or loose profits?”
Yes, don’t quit smoking in doorways, think of the children….

“So my question is this…Where does it end?”
It ends when people address the problems and not the solutions.

Jason B Bour said...

Alcia, it is fine to disagree with me, but please state why.

Have you study what is actually in our air? I have, and it scared me to death, and it is unbelievable what the government considers acceptable levels to protect industry's profits. Three quarters of the world's population will die due to pollution in general according to Science Daily, our children are born with deformities due to pollution, and most of the pollution is in the name of progress or profits.

Have you looked at the break down on the numbers they claim is caused by smoking, and how they are derived? Lets use breast cancer as an example. Breast cancer is the largest killer of women in all the cancers, and it is said to be hereditary, and there are more non-smoking women who suffers from it than smoking women. Now if you go to the doctors and diagnosed with breast cancer and you mark the box that says you are a smoker, then you have just become a smoking statistic. Now every female in your family could have had breast cancer, and you could live in the most polluted area of town, but because you marked the box saying you smoked they will add you as a statistic.

Have you read the reports in detailed and took under consideration who devised these reports? The reports are usually done by the FDA and CDC in which they state their thesis, list evidence to support their thesis, and conclude they cannot prove their thesis, but based on the information they have, this is what should happen. One of the points they make is the chemicals found in cigarettes, what those chemicals can do to you under high levels of exposure, and the reports will say they do not know how harmful the levels found in cigarettes are, or at what levels these chemicals are harmful. Most of these chemicals are also found in the exhaust of cars, diesels, planes, factories, foundries, refineries, etc... at much greater levels than smokers could ever think of putting out. As I said earlier, you can be in a bar all night long with smokers and live, but die in 15 mins in a room with a car running.

Now to the credibility of the people who puts out these reports, which are the same ones who said Agent Orange, DDT, Asbestos, and even smoking said these was all safe at one point of time. Lets take something more recent like Aminopterin. Nasty chemical, so bad the FDA has banned this for use in rat poison. Can you imagine a chemical that is so bad that the FDA will not let you kill disease carrying rodents with, so why does the FDA allow it to be used in cancer drugs. When the New York Department of Agricultural made their report that this chemical was found in the tainted dog food last year the FDA immediately squashed those findings and directed everyone's attention to Melamine, a relatively harmless chemical that has been used in dog food for over 2 decades without incident. Even in the FDA report they used to point the finger at Melamine they admitted they could not duplicate the effects in rats, but they had to protect the chemical the NYDA found because the FDA approves it use in cancer drugs. DuPont and factories like DuPont dumps harmful chemicals into our water supply everyday, and the EPA considers it acceptable levels. All the radioactive waste that was seeping into the Stones River was considered acceptable levels. There is sections of Old Hickory lake you cannot eat the fish or swim in, but it is at acceptable levels. My example was used in regards to air pollution compared to second hand smoke, and that is not even including the harmful chemicals we are ingesting from just getting a drink of water.

No offense, but if you buy into what the government is selling you are gullible. I am not saying smoking or second hand smoke is safe, what I am saying is the government has failed to prove their case on how dangerous it actually is. They said 400,000 die each year from smoking, but cannot say for sure that if that person did not smoke he/she would not have suffered the same fate. They do not list other factors such as where they live or the environment they work in as possible cause and they cannot prove those factors was not the primary cause. They have targeted smoking as a big killer when pollution is killing alot more people then smoking, but pollution numbers are considered acceptable limits. In essence, of those 400,000 people they claimed smoking killed each year they cannot say for sure that smoking killed them, just they were smokers who died. Now obesity has taken the place of smoking as the number one preventable cause of death, and that number strangely enough is 400,000.

As I said, I am not trying to justify or defend smoking, but people, we are fighting the wrong fight. The state refuses to set statewide emissions standard, and act that will greatly improve air quality and will have a greater effect on your health than the smoking ban. If they are concerned with your health as they say they are, then why are they not doing what California and Canada has done decades ago? Why do they not devise a plan where government owned cars, and taxis are Hybrids by year 2010 like New York City has done? As long as they keep fanning the fires on the smoking issue, and pointing the fingers at smokers then your attention will stay diverted from the real issues. Do you think our federal government wants to get into the pollution fight with big businesses? No, they are afraid tighter pollution controls and fines will drive industry away, but yet they give tax breaks to companies moving out of the country.

HaileyStargazer said...

Well Said JGJ!!! This should quite frankly be the post to end them all!

wild_mama_cherry said...

Haileystargazer I really don't like your comments. To me you seem more like someone who wants to argue more than someone who really cares.We are all adults...we all make our own decisions... If i choose to smoke and ruin my health that is my problem not anyone else's!Let's face you are not going to die or get second hand smoke just from walking the parking lot at school. What about when you go shopping to you complain to supervisors or managers that you are getting second hand smoke from their parking lot???? More than likly not because they will probably give you a pretty dumb look!
You are not not going to be harmed from walking through a parking lot with me smoking in my car no more than you will if you walked by when I started my car...Be realistic. I pay for my college out of my own pocket and like many have said probably for many others too. I have as many rights as anyone else. so from now on if you see a "cloud of smoke" coming from car take another route!
Thank You!!!

Lindsey said...

This is in response to Jaibunchvol, who seems to believe that banning smoking from the campus would be a way of treating smokers as a 'sub-standard' set of people. However, I'd like to point out that smokers are doing this to non-smokers. We all know that second-hand smoke is dangerous to others in the long run. Not only this, but many people suffer from asthma and allergies that make it dangerous to breathe in smoke. Smoking places that other people also stand is much more inconsiderate than asking someone not to light up on campus.
I'd also like to point out the number of cigarette butts that litter our campus. Not all smokers litter, but in the past week on campus, I've seen four cigarettes simply dropped on the ground, and picked them up myself. Cigarette butts do not decompose and truly hurt the beauty of our campus.
Restaurants have banned smoking recently in Tennessee, and it hasn't hurt anyone or prevented them from going out to eat, not to mention coming to class, traveling on airplanes, or going to the grocery stores-- all of which are locations in which smoking is banned! Non-smoking policies are not discriminatory towards smokers, they are a means of protecting the health of those who involuntarily must breathe the same air.

Lindsey said...

This is in response to Jaibunchvol, who seems to believe that banning smoking from the campus would be a way of treating smokers as a 'sub-standard' set of people. However, I'd like to point out that smokers are doing this to non-smokers. We all know that second-hand smoke is dangerous to others in the long run. Not only this, but many people suffer from asthma and allergies that make it dangerous to breathe in smoke. Smoking places that other people also stand is much more inconsiderate than asking someone not to light up on campus.
I'd also like to point out the number of cigarette butts that litter our campus. Not all smokers litter, but in the past week on campus, I've seen four cigarettes simply dropped on the ground, and picked them up myself. Cigarette butts do not decompose and truly hurt the beauty of our campus.
Restaurants have banned smoking recently in Tennessee, and it hasn't hurt anyone or prevented them from going out to eat, not to mention coming to class, traveling on airplanes, or going to the grocery stores-- all of which are locations in which smoking is banned! Non-smoking policies are not discriminatory towards smokers, they are a means of protecting the health of those who involuntarily must breathe the same air.

jamiesky said...

Let me just keep this simple.
I am 21. I have never smoked once in my life, but i find it ridiculous to have to ban smoking anywhere. It is a freedom.
Our campus rules about smoking are just fine the way they are.

Alicia said...

Jason B Bour,

I understand there are millions of disease causing agents in our environment other than tobacco smoke. I understand your stance and applaud your efforts in supporting your opinion. Yet, instead of just identifing the issues and sticking to your(or others) unhealthy and/or environmentally unfriendly behaviors, why not take a step in the right direction in resolving these issues/problems. Do you honestly believe that a difference cannot be made if just you and others on campus stop smoking? There are thousands of campuses and cities around the US that are already smoke free. This site, provided by the University of Kentucky, has ran it's own study of air quality since the city's(Louisville) partial smoke-free law, which shows a dramatic decline in air pollution :http://news.uky.edu/news/display_article.php?artid=3171.

In regards to trusting the government- That's your call of what you choose to believe. But do not ignore apparent signs of global warming and global deterioration because of humans. We cannot reverse this damage, but we can take steps in preserving and healing.

I do not know where you are coming from in terms of view, but as I read your posts, I get the interpretation that you believe that change is not possible or that one campus ban will not make a difference. All I can say to that is, get the ball rolling in the right direction. Do your part and others will follow.

Once upon a time, smoking became trendy- why can't not/quitting smoking be a trend also? Why cant living better become a tread?
Wait- it already is!

There is truth in "we are all going to die someday". But, I rather not live up to that saying anytime soon and I do not want to leave the problems of today(created by the now living) to the people of the future. I'm not that selfish and I ask the rest of you do act in kind.

Jason B Bour said...

Thanks Alicia. If you key on the sentence of which it states 97% drop you will see it says a 97% drop in air pollution that is linked to second hand smoke. Yes I can believe that report since if you eliminate smoking you also eliminate the smoke, but it does not say what the overall change was. The thing is your indoor air is brought in from the outside by the heating and air system, so even though you have eliminated the second hand smoke, you still have not eliminated the outdoor air which holds most of the pollution.

Now I am not saying second hand smoke is OK. I have been inside smoke filled bars and hated it, and would not go back, but I also believe a private business should have the choice in it, just as the consumer will have the choice on eating their or not. I have eaten at places that allow smoking and places that was smoke free, and each and everytime I went in by choice.

As far as government reports go, and my trust in them, that is from reading them. Now since smoking is on the decline but lung cancer is still up, government reports is saying 2 alcoholic drinks are just as bad for you as smoking a whole pack of cigarettes, and now drinking is starting to get blamed for lung cancer, cervical cancer, and breast cancer. As I stated before the FDA said a chemical they will not approve to kill rats is fine to use in cancer drugs.

Yes I know we all need to make a change, but we have people complaining about second hand smoke, but has no problems subjecting themselves to the toxins their own car puts out. Now I am not talking about necessary driving I am talking about unnecessary driving to Florida for spring break or vacation for example. It is not OK to smoke around this person, but that same person has no problem being in a car for over 10 hours with continued exposure to deadly exhaust. The same person who complains about my cigarette in a restaurant does not mind driving to the same restaurant in which he/she subjects themselves to pollutants far worse than in secondhand smoke at greater levels.

My point is people want to complain about second hand smoke while their own activities are causing a greater health risk to them, and since the government classifies deadly car exhaust as acceptable levels, it is OK. On top of that peoples diets are so bad that now obesity is now considered the highest preventable death. So to recap we have people subjecting themselves to deadly fumes for the convenience of letting someone else to cook for them, and eating unhealthy diets, and it is second hand smoke they are concerned with.

Air Pollution is killing more people than smoking, yet we contribute to it without worries. Diet and lack or exercise kills more people than smoking, yet we stuff our face and sit on our butts without complaining. We worry about kids seeing us smoke or seeing cigarette advertisements, but we are allowed to take our lids to Chuckee Cheeses and have a pitcher of beer while they play, and we allow Santa Clause to promote Crown Royal. We allow all of this while targeting smokers and say we are making an improvement.

Jason B Bour said...

Thanks Alicia. If you key on the sentence of which it states 97% drop you will see it says a 97% drop in air pollution that is linked to second hand smoke. Yes I can believe that report since if you eliminate smoking you also eliminate the smoke, but it does not say what the overall change was. The thing is your indoor air is brought in from the outside by the heating and air system, so even though you have eliminated the second hand smoke, you still have not eliminated the outdoor air which holds most of the pollution.

Now I am not saying second hand smoke is OK. I have been inside smoke filled bars and hated it, and would not go back, but I also believe a private business should have the choice in it, just as the consumer will have the choice on eating their or not. I have eaten at places that allow smoking and places that was smoke free, and each and everytime I went in by choice.

As far as government reports go, and my trust in them, that is from reading them. Now since smoking is on the decline but lung cancer is still up, government reports is saying 2 alcoholic drinks are just as bad for you as smoking a whole pack of cigarettes, and now drinking is starting to get blamed for lung cancer, cervical cancer, and breast cancer. As I stated before the FDA said a chemical they will not approve to kill rats is fine to use in cancer drugs.

Yes I know we all need to make a change, but we have people complaining about second hand smoke, but has no problems subjecting themselves to the toxins their own car puts out. Now I am not talking about necessary driving I am talking about unnecessary driving to Florida for spring break or vacation for example. It is not OK to smoke around this person, but that same person has no problem being in a car for over 10 hours with continued exposure to deadly exhaust. The same person who complains about my cigarette in a restaurant does not mind driving to the same restaurant in which he/she subjects themselves to pollutants far worse than in secondhand smoke at greater levels.

My point is people want to complain about second hand smoke while their own activities are causing a greater health risk to them, and since the government classifies deadly car exhaust as acceptable levels, it is OK. On top of that peoples diets are so bad that now obesity is now considered the highest preventable death. So to recap we have people subjecting themselves to deadly fumes for the convenience of letting someone else to cook for them, and eating unhealthy diets, and it is second hand smoke they are concerned with.

Air Pollution is killing more people than smoking, yet we contribute to it without worries. Diet and lack or exercise kills more people than smoking, yet we stuff our face and sit on our butts without complaining. We worry about kids seeing us smoke or seeing cigarette advertisements, but we are allowed to take our lids to Chuckee Cheeses and have a pitcher of beer while they play, and we allow Santa Clause to promote Crown Royal. We allow all of this while targeting smokers and say we are making an improvement.

Alicia said...

Complaint, like death, is inevitable.

What makes me sad is that GWB rejected the EU's plan on 'GreenTax'- yet, this policy is working well throughout Europe.(Look it up! it's brilliant!)


Another issue that saddens me is that any type of change usually doesnt occur unless it's by prohibition. We Americans need to take a larger leap in securing the planet because of our prevalence.

bushinelmo said...

look heres the deal you go to college to make your life better right so why would you not want to make your health better as well. we are talking about not smoking for a few hours. it's not like you live there. if you can't go with out one for a few hours get the gum or wear a patch it's not about you. Drinking and smoking are things that do not need to be at school. I see you complaining about smoking as if your the only unhealthy thing banned if drinking is why not smoking. I want you to smoke I don't care but not at school this should not be an issue there is no smoking and drinking in K-12 (yes they are not all old enough to buy them but some turn 18 before they finish 12th grade)so the same thing should apply to college.

kali said...

Just a side note…

I’ve noticed in many of the posts about the smoking policy, the topic of global warming keeps popping up. I would just like to point out a few things for those of you who have not thoroughly researched the subject. While I will not deny that temperatures are increasing and that we need to develop better fuel alternatives for the future, global warming is not as pressing an issue as the “authorities” are leading you to believe.

I am not going to go into detail about why I, and many others, believe that man-made global warming is a, for lack of a better word, “scam.” This information is all available for your viewing/reading/learning pleasure via the World Wide Web. Just to get you started, I have put the link to John Coleman’s, “Comments on Global Warming,” at the end of this post. For those of you who do not know John Coleman, he is a meteorologist and the founder of The Weather Channel. This article is extremely informative and also offers many other sites and documents for you to review.

Below is a sample of suggested research topics.

Research:

-Solar activity and how it correlates with rising and lowering temperatures.
-The “Truths” of Al Gore’s, An Inconvenient Truth.
-The science behind global warming, and what scientific evidence has been disproved?
-How you (personally) will be affected by “green taxes” and green restrictions.
-Who will benefit from global warming?
-How Al Gore, specifically, will benefit from global warming. Research Generation Investment Management (the alternative energy company Al Gore founded) and his financial ties to global warming.
-How your government/country, specifically, will benefit from global warming. (i.e. UK’s Prime Minister Gordon Brown is proposing new “green taxes” in order to offset their debt/housing slump.) Will our government follow suit by proposing/raising “green taxes” in order to pay our debts? Will they take advantage of these taxes and put an enormous burden on the people in the name of a “good cause?”
-The 2008 International Conference on Climate Change. (For those of you who have researched this conference, I already know what your opposition will be. Some articles claim the conference, which was sponsored by The Heartland Institute, was funded by energy/fuel companies. This is not true. I spoke with (via email) John Coleman who was in attendance, and he clarified for me that while The Heartland Institute receives less than 5% of funding from energy/fuel companies, none…let me repeat, NONE of that money was used to fund the conference.)
-Vaclav Klaus, President of the Czech Republic, and see what he compares “climate alarmism” to, and why.

Again, above is just a small sample of topics to get you started. If you want to delve further into the subject, there is a large amount of books available…just visit Amazon and search for global warming or even go to YouTube and search for footage. Review all the information that is widely available to you, and then you decide for yourself. Don’t let popular media, popular culture, and/or even your teachers hinder your quest for knowledge. Question EVERYTHING!...Even what I have said ;)

John Coleman’s article:
http://media.kusi.clickability.com/documents/Comments+on+Global+Warming1.pdf

Blondie said...

This comment is to Lindsey..You stated that people (smokers) dont complain when going to eat or shop. But when you go to restaurants or even the grocery store you can smoke outside (just not inside) we arent compianing b/c we cant smoke inside the building. I believe like I have said several times that its our choose to smoke and I dont believe that it should be banned. I know its unhealthy, but thats my choice. I also have friends that dont smoke and have allergies and asthma and if we are outside in close proximity (probably spelled wrong and I apologize) it doesnt seem to bother them. It would be different if we smokers were all lined up and blowing smoking in everyones face that walks by, but we arent. And someone else made a comment that more than half the campus doesnt smoke, but thats ridiculous...LOOK AROUND...a close majority smokes, even teachers...I think that if we banned smoking there would be a lot of irritable students not to mention teachers. I just really dont think you non-smokers dont know how hard it is to quit smoking..Also, are y'all saying that you dont do anything to harm others health or pollute the air? so you walk to school or carpool, conserve electricity, recycle, etc..right?

kali said...

Alicia,

Please reread the article you cited above (http://news.uky.edu/news/display_article.php?artid=3171).

I am assuming that you either misspoke and/or did not interpret the article correctly. You stated that “There are thousands of campuses and cities around the US that are already smoke free. This site, provided by the University of Kentucky, has ran it's own study of air quality since the city's(Louisville) partial smoke-free law, which shows a dramatic decline in air pollution.”

You forgot to mention and/or intentionally failed to admit (for your argument’s sake) a very important detail…this study did not include the effect smoking bans had on overall pollution/outdoor air quality. This study focused on indoor pollution and indoor air quality only. And I quote, "This study demonstrates that comprehensive smoke-free laws significantly reduce indoor air pollution and protect all workers and the public," Hahn said.

If I may, please let me cite one of your previous posts “I ask of all who post, if you believe you are stating a fact, please back it up with links and proper citations. Say what you mean and prove what you say!”

In addition to your statement above, I would like to add that if you are “stating a fact” please do not omit pertinent information in order to support your argument.

Vol State said...

Kali: We had a few comments that we had not gotten to yet, and perhaps that is what you are looking for. Everything we have received we have published. There are also more comments in a previous posting if you scroll down on the blog.

Eric, Vol State

Jason B Bour said...

I just happen to think of this, and thought it was funny. I am just wondering how many people think that pot should be legalized?

The reason I ask is the Tennessean use to have a good forum in their paper, and it seemed the same ones who was posting against smoking was posting for the legalization of marijuana, which is smoked. I just thought it was funny the anti-smoking posters was pro-post smoking.

Alicia said...

kali,

Where do you think the inside pollution comes from? It doesnt just appear. It seeps in through air conditioning units, door ways, windows, and any other openings leading outdoor to indoor.

This may sound contradictory to the statement "if you believe you are stating a fact, please back it up with links and proper citations. Say what you mean and prove what you say" and I am not rejecting knowledgeable sources, but I dont have to read an article or book to notice what is going on in the world around me. I do not have to be convinced by a study or research that our environment is deteriorating.

I live in Hendersonville, where new buildings and businesses are being built everyday. Traffic, that has been increasing rapidly throughout a short period of time, has engulfed the town. I do not have to read an article to know that the air quilty in my town is suffering. A few years ago, I could walk outside at night and easily view stars leading to the horizon. Now, the veiw is limited to what is directly overhead. I do not have to read a book to understand that garbage litters the sidewalks in my community. It is apparent. I do not have to open a newspaper to know that recycling services are not readily available. And I do not need to type in key words in a search engine to know that our tap water isnt up to par.

It's very hard to sit back and watch ignorance and stupidity destroy the future. Also, it's sad that it takes studies and research to convince the masses of what is self-evident.

I mean, do you really need the government(in which other's admittly state they do not trust)to decide what is best for you and our future? Why does it take prohibition and thousand of words of convincement for change?

Open your eyes(along with your mind) and the truth with follow.

kali said...

Alicia,

I am aware of pollution, litter, trash, new buildings, businesses, etc. I get all of that. I am not denying that there are things we need to fix…like finding cleaner energy sources…bla bla bla. I was responding to your post in which you stated that air pollution declined because of the smoking bans. Give me a break! Do you have any idea of how miniscule smoking is? If you want to take a look at this article (http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17697145&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416046&rfi=6) they clearly say that they don’t think there would be any change in air quality if people were to quit smoking. Please, I’m begging you, find something better to do with your time than moan and groan about smoking and its effects on the environment. For instance, why don’t you try to invent a cleaner energy source or how about getting a bill passed on emissions requirements. Your time would be much better spent if you would focus on something that is a non-issue when it comes to the environment.

And talk about government involvement…you and the other crazies are the ones fueling this. I believe you were the one who suggested the “green” tax. Do you have any idea of how much the government and people like Al Gore will benefit from that? And they don’t really care about you or anything else for that matter. Here Al Gore is jetting off to conferences in Bali and buying credits from his own company, which only means he’s putting money back into his pocket.

I’m not the one who needs to wake up here Alicia. People/government don’t care about you in little Hendersonville, TN. They are out for there own personal gain and couldn’t give a crap. As long as they are putting money into their pockets we are going to continue to have people/government/organizations taking advantage of us and draining our pockets and taking away our freedoms. (yes, I said freedom…smoking is NOT illegal).

By the way, I live in Hendersonville too. We should get together and have lunch and a margarita. I have an idea that there are a lot more things we could disagree on…lol. Honestly, I like going back and forth with you…you make me have to work for it!

bcgpeanut said...

About a month ago, I found out I had viral bronchitis, and had endured it for 8 weeks before going to the doctor. I was on medication for almost two weeks and during the time I was sick, I absolutely hated seeing smokers on my path to my classes b/c I knew I was going to have a coughing fit, which was going to cause my chest to hurt really bad. My coughs got so bad my doctor told me a special method to use while coughing to keep my diaphram from ripping away from my chest wall. I normally don't like walking through smoke, but during the 10 weeks I was sick, it was torture. Here are my complaints about smoking on campus. The smokers don't respect the rules about smoking, they clog up walkways in groups, and they throw their butts everywhere. Firstly, there are designated no smoking areas within 10 feet of the door. There needs to be someone enforcing this, maybe some from security giving out tickets and you can't graduate, recieve financial aid, etc till you pay the ticket. Everyday I have to endure walking through a cloud of smoke to get to at least one of my 5 classes. It's even worse when it's cold or raining outside. The rules say 10 feet, please respect it people! Secondly, everyday I have to step onto the grass to avoid a group of smokers who are taking up the entire sidewalk. This is especially bad near the triangle of the Caudill, Ramer and Wood buildings. Common courtesy in driving and in walkways dictates that if you are clogging up traffic, you move to the side. Thirdly, smokers litter. Outside the library, I counted at least 3 trash cans for butts to go into, including one by the large planter, but smokers will walk right by these and throw their butts on the ground. Everyone knows not to litter, why should smokers be any different? Litter period needs to be enforced. Honestly, I can't wait until I get to attend Austin Peay next fall where smoking is completely banned. My lungs will breathe their fresh air much easier. I personally agree that banning smoking altogether is against student's rights, although my health doesn't like it. I think there should be smoking pavilions like the one that was by the modulars placed in different places around campus, some designated for smoking and others that are not for smoking, with both clearly labeled on all sides. It irritates me to no end that those of us who don't smoke have to endure cigarette smoke if we want to eat outside in the gazebo or around the fountain. I like a pretty day as much as anyone else, and I shouldn't have to risk my health to enjoy it because of smoke. Like hailey said, smoke doesn't dissipate as quickly as the smoker moves. It lingers. Those are my thoughts on this issue, and I hope that Vol State takes all of the points made in the blogs into consideration.

Alicia said...

Let's agree to disagree.